Birds don’t have to be for anything: Jonathan Franzen and Sean Dooley on birds

Jonathan Franzen is a renowned bird-watcher and conservationist, as is Sean Dooley (The Big Twitch). They spoke this afternoon to ABC Radio’s Michael Veitch (himself a keen bird-watcher) about their mutual passion. Is there something about the elusiveness of birds that attracts writers?

To kick off, Veitch polled audience members, who mostly proved at least either bird-watchers or Franzen/Dooley readers, if not a combination of both. For fairness’ sake, Veitch also asked ‘How many of you are bird watchers who have never heard of Jonathan Franzen or Sean Dooley?’ Two lone but brazen birders put their hands up and received an air-kiss from Franzen in response.

Audience bona fides having been ascertained, it was time to test the panellists, who went to the Werribee sewage farm yesterday (which Franzen called ‘one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been’). Veitch reeled off a list of Victorian birds, and it turned out the intrepid travellers hadn’t seen very many (one particular species had been sighted ‘very distantly, through heat shimmers’, but Franzen joked ‘Yes, we missed almost everything’) even though the site is renowned for its birdlife: ‘25 kilometres of open poo ponds’ that Dooley said birds love. Apparently 370 species of birds have been sighted there in the past fifty years or so.

Writing is an isolating pastime, but, Veitch asked, is birding something you can enjoy doing with others? ‘More eyes means you see more stuff’, Franzen agreed, but it can also be done alone; ‘I prefer to be myself. It’s a great, great activity … who wants to go to a party when you can slip out and see a bird or two?’ Indeed, those hoping to see Franzen at MWF parties may be disappointed, as Dooley then happened to mention there was somewhere near Federation Square where they could slip out to see some avian life instead.

Dooley agreed: ‘I basically go bird-watching for the birds, not for the bird-watchers.’ Not surprising from someone who blew his inheritance on buying a four-wheel drive and bird-watching for a year, an experience he wrote about in The Big Twitch: ‘It was a good chance to get out into nature.’

Not only is it a chance to reconnect with nature, but bird-watching is also a pursuit that has changed the way Franzen responds to nature. Instead of approaching it as something that’s for him, for his contemplation – ‘Am I alone enough?’ – it’s now the habitat of the creatures he loves.

Do the writers write differently thanks to their interest in birds? Franzen: ‘More carefully … As a reader I turn off if I’m about to be subjected to too much appreciation of nature.’

Then to the cerulean warbler, the bird made arguably a thousand times more famous by its inclusion in Franzen’s latest novel, Freedom. Why did he decide to feature this bird, a ‘bluish, small and unintelligent looking’ one? ‘It’s arguably the fastest declining songbird in North America,’ Franzen explained, ‘and happens to have a stronghold in West Virginia’, where the novel is set. That location is ‘a dystopian vision of what America is becoming’, with the environmental destruction, out-of-town interested making money, and residents maintaining a relatively low quality of life. ‘It’s a pan-American bird,’ which winters in South America, and ‘it’s pretty’.

Veitch had purposely avoided asking his guests why birding was such an important pursuit for them, but by session’s end, Franzen had kind of answered it anyway: ‘I feel like it’s good to have something to do for my own sake – I have a Protestant work ethic that I can’t get away from except when I fall into a bird-watching trance.’ He’s become involved in bird conservation ‘as a way of justifying post hoc these days I spend for no other reason out in the bush other than it brings me pleasure’. Nevertheless, this doesn’t detract from the fact that birds are beloved and interesting qua birds: ‘Birds don’t have to be for anything.’

Posted on 27 August 2011, in MWF events and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 12 Comments.

  1. Thank you Estelle for this article. I haven’t heard of these authors because really, I’m not a fully fledged birdy (pardon the pun), but I love it that there are people out there that appreciate these amazing creatures. I believe we can learn a lot from them.

    I wouldn’t mind picking Jonathon and Sean’s brain on a few things ‘birdy’. I’m a passive birdwatcher in that I watch them most days around my unit (but they seem to feature in my poetry, as I do love them so). I live in the valley of the Dandenong Ranges. Around here we get a lot of Raven & (screeching) Cockatoos (gah!), also the occasional Rosella, Kookaburra, and a Tawny Frog Owl has even been known to fly in. Just this week up in the mountains I saw many birds including a King Parrot. But the most special time was in the early morning watching two small birds (not sure, maybe starlings) sky dancing above the blueberry farm nets.

    I get my best bird experiences when I’m out with my daughter, who apparently can tell the difference between male and female and fledgling and other such impressive stuff! I LOVE these times with her. Her father was a junior field naturalist, and has passed on his love of birds and books. She also loves to write, and is now writing about a clan of spiritual wolves!

    ~lily
    Melbourne

  2. Thanks for the lovely post Estelle. I’m another writer proud to call myself a ‘bird nerd’. Your question re: whether it’s the elusiveness of birds that attracts writers got me thinking. Notwithstanding Franzen’s notion that birds don’t have to be for anything, in the search for metaphors for ideas and emotions, it’s hard to go past the bird kingdom.

  3. Hi Lily — it sounds like birding with others, like your daughter, can be a lot of fun. I liked your description of yourself as being a ‘passive’ bird-watcher. I think many people could describe themselves that way, especially if they are lucky enough to live in such a beautiful area as the Dandenongs.

    Hello Angela! Yes, birds are very interesting as well as beautiful, and I can understand why so many writers become enthralled by them. Sean Dooley did say something funny about how some writers love using birds as exemplars of human emotions. For example, magpies are often poetically celebrated as loyal, monogamous partners, pairing off for life, but studies have found that the offspring of most female magpies aren’t related to the females’ life partners. I thought that was quite funny.

  4. Jeez Louise Simon Keck (see his blog post below: How to ask questions without people wishing death upon you (a guide)). Now you tell me. I wanted to ask Jonathan Franzen why he didn’t mention the bird protecting Catbibs by name in his book so that people could buy them and save hundreds of thousands of birds, but It was a bit cheeky and I wasn’t sure if I should ask and I was a bit star struck so I put my hand down and relaxed. Then the two lovely strangers next to me said, “No ask”, “You’ll only get one chance”. So I put my hand up again.

    It was the last question. The microphone was up the back somewhere. I didn’t know whether to wait or not and neither did the speakers. So poor Jonathan Franzen had to repeat what I said, which felt weird, and had to hold up the Catbib I brought in (which is a piece of neoprene with Velcro that you attach to a cat’s collar) and repeat “80% less predation” which was also weird, and then I was so flustered I didn’t get the question out properly anyway. Earth please open and swallow me whole. So I apologise to all the people who wished death upon me, and to the TV crew who will probably now have an editing problem.

    I, Neroli Wesley, do solemnly swear to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the festival.

    After the session was over I went to talk to Sean Dooley. Look, I knew it was risky. I almost left it. But nothing ventured, nothing gained. I asked if he would accept something for Birds Australia about Catbibs as he too, could potentially save thousands of birds by getting the word out. He looked at me with disbelief. I forgot. He’s the editor of Wingspan, “Best Periodical” in 2007 and 2008, “Outstanding Periodical” in 2006, “Best Specialist Periodical” in 2000 and 2003, and as “Best Zoological Periodical” in 2001.” Ah well. His wife was really sweet and mentioned birdsinbackyards: an excellent suggestion.

    So in summary, I love birds. If you have a cat and you let it out in the backyard, please consider buying or making a cat bib and using it. I’m not associated with the people who make them. This is not an ad. I just love birds and reptiles and a cat bib reduces predation by 80%. It interferes with a cat’s lunging ability and makes it much harder for them to catch things. They can stalk, run, groom, bask and play but catching birds is much more difficult. It’s so easy. Rant ends.

    Estelle, good summary. They did see crakes and rails out at Werribee and by the way, it was a Powerful Owl they were going to look for out by the Yarra. I wonder if they found it.

  5. Michael Veitch

    I’m glad you asked the question Neroli! Sorry it was squeezed in a the end. It’s hard to wrangle the microphones from the chair and I did see your hand up early but it’s great you persisted. I hope you enjoyed the session. It was certainly a privilege to meet Jonathan and Sean was terrific as well. Thanks for coming.

  6. Thanks so much Michael. Yes, I loved the session. It was wonderful and I can imagine that trying to wrangle everything is pretty tricky especially when you’re trying to wrap things up. Kudos to the Festival for putting it into the program and well done you too.

  7. As a writer and bird watcher of long standing, I really wish I hadn’t been working this day. Thanks for the summary Estelle. I find that it is better done alone, unless you are with a very sympatico person. If it’s just a family member (especially a young noisy one!) who wants to walk and talk you are much less likely to see anything! Also, I love the state of mind I get into on my own in the wilderness. It was a large part of the shaping of my creative mind, the solitude and connection with nature. Alone in the bush for a long time I begin to understand the animist religions…Must get out there again!

  8. Hi Neroli. From what you write, it seems as if you think I gave you the brush-off regarding publishing something in Wingspan about your cat bib. This was certainly not my intention and I distinctly remember saying that it was in fact the sort of thing that we might be interesting in publishing and that you should send me a proposal for it. I mentioned that I didn’t have a card on me but you could easily get in touch with me through Birds Australia.

    Any disbelief on my face was that I was trying to juggle about three conversations at once with people coming up to comment on the session, including friends I hadn’t seen for a long time. One of the people I was talking to when you approached was the one who suggested trying the Birds in Backyard website. She was in fact not my wife but my co-editor at Wingspan and mentioned it because Birds in Backyard is an excellent site run by Birds Australia but with a membership of many thousands who are not Birds Australia members or Wingspan readers.The reach of this site is very broad and far more immediate than our magazine which only comes out four times a year.

    So forgive me if you thought my response to your question wasn’t encouraging. Often times in these sessions it is not just the questioners who get bit overwhelmed by the occassion!

  9. Hi Sean, Thank you for your reply. I did feel that you brushed me off but at the same time I thought it was probably fair enough – thus the self deprecating tone of my original comment. It was also in the context of Simon Keck’s funny/serious post about asking questions.

    I do apologise. I misinterpreted your expression, your relationship and your intent; wrong on so many counts. Putting yourself out there can be overwhelming for anyone and I was unaware of your situation so I’m really sorry.

    I was quite serious about Birds in Backyards being an excellent idea though – the target audience is more appropriate and perhaps we can save some birds. Now that I know you are interested in the idea I’ll be in touch. Thanks for a great session – it was a highlight for me despite making an idiot of myself.

    Neroli

  10. Hi Estelle! I’ve been trying to find you on twitter (but failed) because I thought as a mwf blogger (among other things) you might be interested in this: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/manea9/English Project Syndicate don’t often feature literature, but I thought this was a worthwhile take on the debate…
    Cheers,
    Hanne

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